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"USE flags", "Kernel settings" sections

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I don't like these parts of the guide, because the instructions are not complete:

  • Missing kernel options (see udev)
  • Missing configuration like starting init.d scripts at boot

The text say, that you should follow the linked articles, but then the USE flag and kernel instructions are redundant.

Also the instructions have to be maintained, which is a duplication of work.

So I purpose to just link the articles and remove the instructions in this guide, e.g.:

Services

Before you install KDE SC it is recommended that you set up several services. Part of that is done automatically if you use a desktop/kde or desktop profile. In detail you should use:

  • ConsoleKit: Enables the consolekit framework for defining and tracking users, login sessions and seats.
  • D-Bus: Enables use of the dbus message bus system.
  • polkit: Enables the polkit framework for controlling privileges for system-wide services.
  • udev: Enables support for udev Linux dynamic and persistent device naming.
  • udisks: Enables support for some storage related services.

Follow the links for information how to set up these services. Note that other USE flag combinations than set in this profile may technically be possible (especially if you do not run a full KDE DE but only selected applications), but may be unsupported, untested, or lead to unexpected loss of functionality.

- Astaecker 08:43, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

'no objections from kde herd' by johu - Astaecker 19:21, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

KDE Frameworks, Plasma, and Applications 5: Available Versions

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I would like to recommend to remove the table with version numbers of KDE Framework and Plasma 5 releases and which versions are in the tree or in overlays. Those numbers change regularly and by the looks of the current table, it doesn't get updated as often. -- Tfischer (talk) 17:28, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

To the contrary, looks like they are maintained to me. --Maffblaster (talk) 23:02, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

KDE/Plasma 5 upgrade: Overlay (optional)

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I think this has no place in the upgrade guide. If anywhere, it should be on main KDE page, maybe below '4. More KDE Software'. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by ASturm (talkcontribs) 12 March 2016

That section has been removed. - dcljr (talk) 20:52, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

nls use flag

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KDE#Localization nls use flag enabled by default via system profile

portage/profiles/default/linux/make.defaults
# Default starting set of USE flags for all default/linux profiles.
USE="berkdb crypt ipv6 ncurses nls pam readline ssl tcpd zlib"

why we enable it for kde applications again? --Cronolio (talk) 08:01, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Good question. the previous version, by that standard, just made people re-install the already present l10n packages. So basically, that section could be simplified by noting that by default, USE=nls is expected - und used by the listed meta packages. So that people are aware in what case they need to manually install which *-l10n packages. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by ASturm (talkcontribs) 25 August 2016

Translation problem with translation tool on this page

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Some changes have been recently made on this page. Usually when I go to the translation (doing fr one) page I can see which new section need translation or new ones. But today the new section added about SSH/GPG doesn't show up at all for translation. Unless I missed one I don't think it's a missing translation tag. Any idea? advices? Answering to myself... Modifications need to be approved. Then translation tool picks-up. so no problem here . Maybe this page as a mature one should be set to be auto-approved for translation? --Jms (talk) 22:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Anything about kde/wayland setup?

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would be intresting to know

  • does it works with gentoo or kde overlay?
  • openrc/systemd?
  • intel/nvidia?

if anyone has any experience with this... as the gentoo wiki wayland page only make mention of qt.

--Jms (talk) 20:27, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

If you've compiled everything with USE="wayland" you can select it when you login with e.g. sddm. Have you tried? I find it not fully suited to my needs yet, e.g. I cannot start a second wayland session on another virtual console with waylond, X11 works. Also I hat some other glitches with windows as far as I remember.
I use gentoo (not the kde overlay) ebuilds, systemd and amdgpu. It shouldn't make a difference if you used nouveau or intel. I don't know if the proprietary nvidia drivers have wayland support. And I don't know if wayland relys on systemd, but I don't think it does, it's rather KDE and Gnome that work best with systemd. Gnome requires it, KDE can go without as well.
Luttztfz (talk) 17:06, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Wayland support has come really far in the past few stable releases, so unless there's any big showstoppers (I personally use a combination of amd/systemd/gentoo/kde/wayland) I'm not sure if this discussion is relevant still. --Redstrate (talk) 21:32, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Unsupported archs? Big endian PowerPC/POWER

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I would like to know when and why arch ppc64 was dropped. I used Gentoo on my Power Mac G4 a long while ago and back then I was very happy and satisfied with KDE 3 (at that time). Now I'm in the process of setting up a desktop system on my Power Mac G5, arch=ppc64, and I found that plasma-desktop is missing the ~ppc64 useflag. Is the big-endian architecture of the old POWER4 (of which the PPC970 is derived) no longer supported upstream by the KDE developers or is it just unsupported/untested on Gentoo? If it is the latter, I could at least try to get it running by accepting amd64 as the arch for the required packages in /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords. If, on the other hand, big-endian architectures were dropped by KDE Plasma upstream, I'd rather not touch it.

Thanks, Luttztfz (talk) 17:00, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't know when, but ~ppc64 has reappeared between 2019 and now, so closing. --Redstrate (talk) 22:23, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Rename article to Plasma

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We should probably rename this article to Plasma since KDE is a community and Plasma is the desktop environment. We can then redirect KDE to this page (or make a Meta article of KDE) and slightly adjust the introductory paragraph/article description. Any reservations or hesitations on doing so? Thank you! --Maffblaster (talk) 23:02, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm really interested in this idea, especially as KDE software is getting more widespread in recent years (see: Krita or Kdenlive) and it's less thought of as a complete desktop environment (like KDE 4.0). I'm thinking we could even have a "KDE applications" page ala the Game pages we have now. I'll probably start drafting how the restructuring could work. --Redstrate (talk) 21:32, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Since there hasn't been any opposition for over a year, I think it's about time the admins make the move (pun intended) --Waldo Lemmer (talk) 02:44, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Calling this article "Plasma" would only describe a subset of its content. --ASturm (talk) 10:33, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

The alternative would be to cut and paste only the Plasma content to Plasma.
But since the majority of this page's history is related to the Plasma content, I think it's better if a proper move is done. Then we can cut and paste the other KDE content back here (KDE) and add a {{Confused}} to the top (KDE is often confused with Plasma). Do you agree?
Waldo Lemmer 06:47, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Andreas Sturmlechner (ASturm) I'm pinging you in case this page expired in your watchlist before I left my last comment.
Waldo Lemmer 20:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

ASturm has made quite a few edits since my comment, so he's clearly seen it, but he has not responded. He is the Project:KDE lead and has the required privileges to move this page.

I'm going to assume good faith on his part and assume that he has not had the time to look at my comment. In order to help him out, I will close this discussion and start a new one with things laid out more clearly.

Waldo Lemmer 07:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

eudev reference

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I think it would be good to relegate the reference to eudev further. At the moment, it is second in the list of options, and while there is a comment suggesting its use is discouraged in gentoo, it is now no longer in portage. As a mimimum, I would move it to the bottom of the list, and would consider its removal from the list all together.

What do you think?

Paulj (talk) 05:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Plasma content should be moved to a new article

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  • provides a proposal that can be merged as is, but as of 2024-06-03,
  • that proposal has not remained unchanged and uncontested for 30 days.

Plasma is the name of a desktop environment. KDE is the name of the community behind it. KDE is responsible for many other pieces of software as well.

There currently exists confusion in the Linux community about whether "KDE" refers to the desktop environment or the community. As this article currently stands, it perpetuates this confusion, since its name is "KDE" and most of its content is about Plasma. In fact, I would argue that this article's focus is on Plasma.

The simplest solution to this problem would be to cut and paste the Plasma content to a new page (Plasma). However, that page wouldn't have any of the edit history from this page. Thus, I propose the following:

  1. Move this page to Plasma.
  2. Then, cut and paste everything not about Plasma back here.

This would preserve the edit history with the Plasma article. It would also eliminate the confusion this article creates between Plasma and KDE, since KDE would be an article about KDE as a whole, not an article that covers all the ins and outs of Plasma with other KDE stuff at the bottom.

Waldo Lemmer 07:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)