Handbook Talk:AMD64/Full/Installation/Archive
The following sections are completed discussions previously found on the Handbook Talk:AMD64/Full/Installation page. They have been moved here for archival purposes.
5.4 Viewing Documentation During Install
The documentation recommends creating a new user account and logging in on a separate virtual tty to load links with the install docs, then switching back and forth between a command tty and the docs tty. This will work but it's clumsy, slow, and aggravating. A better solution is to use "screen" which is already included on the minimal install CD. The docs can be viewed side-by-side with one or more command shells on the same terminal with the following commands:
- screen links Gentoo.org
- ^A ^C
- ^A | (for vertical split) or ^A S (for horizontal split)
Each "screen" can be split further into more windows. I would suggest including these instructions in the install docs in addition to or instead of the virtual terminal switching method.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Handle2001 (talk • contribs) 21 July 2016
- I can make mention of this as an option and add a link to our article on Screen, although I would not summarize logging in on multiple tty's "clumsy, slow, and aggravating". It is the simplest way of proceeding. Screen takes knowledge that many newcomers many not immediately possess. Seasoned system admins will probably think of using screen without it being mentioned. --Maffblaster (talk) 22:08, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
- It is now mentioned as a possibility for seasoned Linux enthusiasts (who know how to use it). Closing discussion. --Maffblaster (talk) 22:59, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
Choosing the right profile
While not a recommendation, this section suggests using "no-multilib" for a pure 64-bit environment. I think this should be followed by the disclaimer on the AMD64 FAQ:
Switching from a no-multilib to a multilib-enabled profile is currently not supported (conversion hints), so think over your decision twice before you use the no-multilib profile.
--Astronome (talk) 23:29, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
- I added a small section noting the caveats of no-multilib. Should be better now. --Maffblaster (talk) 18:20, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Optional: Selecting mirrors
If you use >=sys-apps/portage-2.2.16, you not have to use
root #mirrorselect -i -r -o >> /mnt/gentoo/etc/portage/make.confAs, the SYNC variable in make.conf is deprecated and no longer used by portage.
You will should use
root #mkdir /mnt/gentoo/etc/portage/repos.confroot #cp /usr/share/portage/config/repos.conf /mnt/gentoo/etc/portage/repos.conf/gentoo.confIf you want to be updated from other mirror, you can run
root #mirrorselect -i -r -oselect mirror and paste received URI here /mnt/gentoo/etc/portage/repos.conf/gentoo.conf in variable "sync-uri"
example:
sync-uri = rsync://rsync.ru.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage
More info https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Portage/Sync
P.S. Sorry my bad english.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Geronek (talk • contribs) 26 April 2015
- The repos.conf method is now explained in the Handbook. --Maffblaster (talk) 18:22, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Unpacking the stage tarball
Is "--xattrs" required on some versions of tar to keep the extended attributes when extracting the archive or is this a mistake and as the manpage says, is only used to "save the user/root xattrs to the archive" (while when extracting, one would have to specify "--no-xattrs" to bypass them). — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lepaperwan (talk • contribs) 1 November 2015
- Where do you see that in the GNU tar man page? Seems like bad information to me. I tested your theory using tar v1.29 and verified the
--xattrsoption must be added both for compression and extraction in order for tar handle extended attributes properly. See this link for someone else who tested. --Maffblaster (talk) 06:27, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Setting the date and time
Is there a reason Handbook doesn't suggest "ntpdate pool.ntp.org" instead of typing date manually? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vkuzkokov (talk • contribs) 7 March 2015
- It is less thinking and more accurate to use ntpd. --Maffblaster (talk) 18:23, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Typo "there are e a"
There's an apparent typo on a whole series of these wiki pages. I created and validated wiki account for myself, but alas, it doesn't (yet) give me the option to edit the pages - so apparently I can't correct it.
Anyway, the error: "there are e a couple" should apparently be: "there are a couple" on at least these pages:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Stage
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Alpha/Full/Installation
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Alpha/Full/Installation/es
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Alpha/Installation/Stage
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:HPPA/Full/Installation
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:HPPA/Full/Installation/es
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:HPPA/Installation/Stage
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:IA64/Full/Installation
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:IA64/Full/Installation/es
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:IA64/Installation/Stage
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:MIPS/Full/Installation
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:MIPS/Installation/Stage
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:PPC/Full/Installation
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:PPC/Full/Installation/es
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:PPC/Installation/Stage
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:PPC64/Full/Installation
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:PPC64/Full/Installation/es
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:PPC64/Installation/Stage
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Parts/Full/Installation
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Parts/Installation/Stage
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:SPARC/Full/Installation
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:SPARC/Full/Installation/es
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:SPARC/Installation/Stage
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Full/Installation
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Stage
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Stage/es
(Above posted by Michael Paoli, fixed for wikification)
systemd needed for Banshee Too!
About the optional systemd and Gnome, could you mention that systemd is also required for programs like Banshee that highly depend on Gnome architecture. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gary987 (talk • contribs) 12 May 2015
- It would seem Banshee is no longer available in the main ebuild repository, however I get the point. I have made a note of this in the Handbook's systemd section (here). Thanks for the tip! --Maffblaster (talk) 03:32, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
404 link on Introduction
The link to the Gentoo AMD64 project site (https://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/), on the Hardware Requirements section of the Introduction, leads to a 404 error. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rrzippert (talk • contribs) 3 August 2015
- Link has been long since fixed. Thanks! --Maffblaster (talk) 22:28, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Minor typo & systemd creep
Correct "on a amd64" to "on an amd64" if possible.
I'm here to do a clean openRC installation. Let's keep systemd in check.
The "--make-rslave" operation creeps in without mention of it being optional, if it is, and without yet mention that it is because of systemd.
If these operations are unnecessary without systemd, then please move the "--make-rslave" operations into, and/or under, the note. For example:
Note
The --make-rslave operations are needed for systemd support later in the installation.
root #mount --make-rslave /mnt/gentoo/sys root #mount --make-rslave /mnt/gentoo/dev
- It is in intention to support systemd as an optional init system. systemd is probably, at the time of writing, the most popular system in existence, although the majority of Gentoo users probably are not using it. The
--make-rslaveoption passed to mount does not conflict with any options needed for those choosing either init system (OpenRC or systemd), and therefore is fine either way. Typos are corrected by now. --Maffblaster (talk) 01:34, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Re: Banshee
Banshee is software that is loaded with commercial interests, namely Amazon.com. If it has dependency issues then those should be dealt with at the Banshee development site, not here.
- Agreed. --Maffblaster (talk) 01:35, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Configuring the network
The Handbook heavily relies on the assumption that the network interface name is eth0, which is highly unlikely with the new udev naming rules. Recommending the use of
root #ip link show upfrom a Gentoo-based installation medium or
root #udevadm test-builtin net_id /sys/class/net/eth0 2> /dev/nullif coming from a different installation medium would allow users still unfamiliar with Gentoo to avoid errors during setup.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lepaperwan (talk • contribs) 1 November 2015
- Agreed...I solved this by simply running
root #touch /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-name-slot.rules- Likely works for 95% of all users with a single network card that doesn't change slots
- For the purposes of the Handbook, it shouldn't matter what the network interface is named. It's just a handle created by udev. The Handbook does mention the ip command now. I'm not sure what the point of using udevadm would get the readers? If you still feel like there's more to this discussion then re-open it. Seems like we covered all the bases. --Maffblaster (talk) 06:36, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Installing the sources
root #emerge --ask sys-kernel/gentoo-sourcesThis command execution recommends to control its status in another terminal by doing:
root #tail -f /var/log/emerge-fetch.logBut we have previously chrooted into /mnt/gentoo/. So I suggest to specify that if we log into another terminal we should tail the file inside the mounted folder by doing:
root #tail -f /mnt/gentoo/var/log/emerge-fetch.log- Hi, I don't think instructions on how to tail the emerge-fetch.log file needs to be mentioned in the Handbook. Hopefully the reader will be able to figure this out on their own by reading the message from the gentoo-sources ebuild. If you'd like to re-open and write up a mock wording for me to copy/paste into the Handbook I will consider it! Kind regards, --Maffblaster (talk) 06:40, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Kernel config for USB support
This section is out of date:
'"`UNIQ--pre-00000003-QINU`"'
I believe the relevant options have been moved to:
'"`UNIQ--pre-00000006-QINU`"'
--Astronome (talk) 19:35, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Astronome , Thanks for the tip, and you are correct the example used in the Handbooks is certainly out of date! I have updated it! Thank you kindly for the productive feedback. Cheers, --Maffblaster (talk) 04:31, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Kernel config for efi stub
Please edit configuration of kernel for efi support, else kernel not load a root file system.
Processor type and features --->
[*] Built-in kernel command line
(root=/dev/sda2 rw)
- The Handbook team is trying to move away from supporting the UEFI stub kernel functionality as it is less flexible than using a bootloader to load the kernel into memory. That kind of of stuff can be left out of the Handbook and be included in other kernel related articles around the wiki. --Maffblaster (talk) 21:13, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Link to "other arches" on download page
In the "Download the media" section which discusses the "minimal installation CDs", the link to "the downloads page (recommended)" is to the "Advanced Choices and other Architectures" section of that page. Shouldn't it be to the top of the page (no section anchor) where links to download the "normal" amd64 Minimal Installation CD, LiveDVD, and Stage 3 files are to be found? - dcljr (talk) 18:32, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- The link has been updated. --Maffblaster (talk) 21:14, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Remove Parted
Remove Parted from handbook! fdisk have support GPT layout, and part of coreutils (default)
- I need to revise the disk section. I'll add this as a possibility to review. After reworking the disk section it parted may or may not be used. That's all I can say for now. Thanks! --Maffblaster (talk) 18:28, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
- I don't see why parted should be removed if it *works great*. --Vieri (talk) 12:12, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
EFI partition mount
I see the Handbook mentions that Grub2 can't be used, and efibootmgr should be used instead. However, using grub2 is a suitable option.
The EFI partition should be mounted to /boot/efi:
# mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot/efi # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot/efi
- Hi ILMostro , I saw your message in IRC. We are still very much active in monitoring and updating the wiki, although we're not always able to immediately respond on IRC. I agree, GRUB2 is a suitable option for EFI on Gentoo. I use it myself. With that being said we have to be careful with how much we try to support in the various handbooks. The purpose of it is to help users get Gentoo installed; not to walk them through all the configuration options (Gentoo is far too flexible for that!). :)
- I don't remember the Handbook ever saying GRUB2 can't be used for EFI on amd64 systems, but I will take a look and fix anything that doesn't seem right. Kind regards, --Maffblaster (talk) 02:05, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
GPT or MBR
It's definitely possible to dual-boot with Windows using GPT on a BIOS-based system. I'm able to do so with the following GRUB entry:
/etc/grub.d/40_customDual-boot with Windows'"`UNIQ--pre-0000000B-QINU`"'
--Astronome (talk) 03:17, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
- Hi Astronome, if you're serious about having your discussions looked after please remember to use the {{Talk}} template. We can't really track what work is left for us to do without them.
- With that being said, to confirm: does the disk have a GPT partition table, or is it an MSDOS table? Also, is your copy of Windows installed in MSDOS mode? Kind regards, --Maffblaster (talk) 06:47, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
- Revisiting here... Closing discussion due to no reply from author. --Maffblaster (talk) 08:50, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Mounting the necessary filesystems
I've always found this part confusing. Should this
root #mount -t proc proc /mnt/gentoo/procbe changed to this?
root #mount -t proc /proc /mnt/gentoo/procOtherwise, if you're following the instructions exactly, your PWD will be /mnt/gentoo and you'll be mounting /mnt/gentoo/proc to itself. --Astronome (talk) 19:55, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, it's a good point. We should have the / on the second mention of proc. I'll update this. --Maffblaster (talk) 06:47, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
- This assertion is wrong (but doesn't hurt). man mount:
- The proc filesystem is not associated with a special device, and when mounting it, an arbitrary keyword, such as proc can be used instead of a device specification. (The customary choice none is less fortunate: the error message `none busy' from umount can be confusing.).
- It was probably "proc" due to it being suggested to use that in the man page as that arbitrary keyword (but you can use "asdf" or whatever, pretty much anything except for "none'). That argument is the first one - that of the device node to use, -t proc doesn't have one, so it's ignored (unless special "none" is encountered). In "mount -t proc proc /mnt/gentoo/proc" the first "proc" is the type given with -t, "proc" is the device node and /mnt/gentoo/proc is the path - there is no proc path and no way this would have mounted itself (device node != directory). --Leio (talk) 15:26, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
- So it doesn't really matter. It could be
procor it could be/proc. mount doesn't care. If there's nothing left to do here please close this discussion. --Maffblaster (talk) 21:52, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
- So it doesn't really matter. It could be
GPG verification when behind a firewall
If the default gpg port cannot be opened in the firewall then you might want to use something like:
root #gpg --keyserver hkp://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net:80 --recv-keys 0xBB572E0E2D182910BTW the user can also specify any other keyserver such as: hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80
This may be useful when some servers don't respond.
The following handbook section could be updated to reflect this:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Linux_based_verification
--Vieri (talk) 16 February 2017
- Hi Vieri , I'm rocking gpg version 2.1.19 and it would seem the syntax you used to specify a specific port has been deprecated. I couldn't get it to work by trying your example above. Also, from the man page (man 1 gpg), "The scheme is the type of keyserver: "hkp" for the HTTP (or compatible) keyservers". This indicates to me that HTTP is the default, so there is no need to specify port 80 in the example... Kind regards, --Maffblaster (talk) 03:59, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- No, hkp uses port 11371 by default. What the OP neglected to mention is that not all keyservers support port 80. The general solution is to use the p80 pool at
hkp://p80.pool.sks-keyservers.net:80. However, I think that it would be more preferable still to use the hkps pool athkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net. This has the advantage of using HTTPS on the standard port of 443. Incidentally, portage and gemato are both inflexible in this regard. --kerframil (talk) 02:36, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
- No, hkp uses port 11371 by default. What the OP neglected to mention is that not all keyservers support port 80. The general solution is to use the p80 pool at
Fix nesting
"Pseudo Filesystems --->" needs to be nested one step inwards. DavidC (talk) 16:10, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- A fix was provided (Special:Diff/1018950/1023486). --Blacki (talk) 04:44, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Combine all kernel sections
There seems to be a lot of random traversal of the kernel configuration. It would be beneficial to group all sections together which access similar hierarchies. It would probably also be good to include the hotkeys in this menu so that the user can traverse it more quickly. DavidC (talk) 16:14, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
I do not believe it would suit well to have all kernel sections together in one big block. Regarding hotkeys: we have other articles availabe on the wiki that mention hotkeys (see Kernel articles)... This is not something I think is worth adding to the basic installation requirements for Gentoo. --Maffblaster (talk) 20:35, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
How to read documenation file
"Please read /usr/share/doc/netifrc-*/net.example.bz2 for a list of all available options." The document does not say how to do this. Also in this section, observe: " But don't fear, everything is explained below." This breaks style, but I like it. DavidC (talk) 20:01, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- A little bit higher in the document, it was already mentionned that net.example.bz2 "can be read using bzless". --Blacki (talk) 10:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
CFLAGS Section links
Suggestion: The CFLAGS Section might as well contain additional references to GCC_optimization and CPU_FLAGS_X86? These wiki pages seem more comprehensible for n00bs like me than the referenced gnu manual.
User:atari800 (2019/02/19 11:54am)
- The GCC optimization and Safe CFLAGS articles are now listed in a tip at the bottom of the section. --Maffblaster (talk) 22:52, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
delete: Prior to Windows 7
Suggestion: Delete section to explain how to burn CD on a 10 year old windows system. If someone still runs it, he/she knows how to burn CD's. --Jonas Stein (talk) 01:06, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- Jonas Stein (Jstein) , thank you for reporting. This was fixed a while back. We now cover Windows 7 and above as a 'catch all' to include Windows 10 and 11. See Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Burning_with_Microsoft_Windows_7_and_above. Thank you! --Maffblaster (talk) 21:08, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Reiserfs
Reiserfs is included in mainline Linux--Nikitastepanov (talk) 11:26, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Duplicate of Handbook Talk:Parts/Installation/Disks#Reiserfs (as this page inherits that article) --Grknight (talk) 13:19, 31 August 2020 (UTC)