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This discussion is done as of 2018-07-13.
See my reply to your comment at Handbook Talk:AMD64#Improve install experience?. (Notifying you here since it's been over a month since you posted.) - dcljr (talk) 21:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- BTW, in case you notice this edit of mine and get the wrong idea, my use of "FWIW" (For What It's Worth) was alluding to the futility of discussing things on this wiki in general (too few people watching and participating in talk page discussions to really be effective most of the time — as I guess you have found out!). It was not intended to be a comment on the quality of your particular contribution. - dcljr (talk) 04:57, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
- I do see what you're saying.... perhaps I will contribute to the installer package or write my own guide elsewhere, I get the impression it is objectively not worth it trying to contribute to the handbook. I just found that personally, the handbook involved a lot of "jumping around" and did not actually include all the relevant information i needed either, and neither did the articles it linked to. I find it upsetting when others say they won't try gentoo simply based off of the documentation that's written on it, it has a lot to offer, it's just too daunting for many users to even try sadly. --Lyciathelycanroc (talk) 11:14, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
- If you haven't noticed yet, there has been an effort made to rewrite/expand the official Handbook (still very incomplete). You can freely contribute to that (subject to other user's edits, of course), since it's outside of the "Handbook:" namespace. OTOH, since it's not official, hardly anyone ever looks at it (presumably), so there's less of an incentive to contribute to it. But its main author is a Gentoo developer, so there's always a chance that something official may come of it someday. As for systemd documentation, specifically, I assume you've already seen our systemd article, but have you noticed systemd/Installing Gnome3 from scratch (and the somewhat related User:Sakaki/Sakaki's EFI Install Guide and User:Sakaki/Sakaki's EFI Install Guide/Setting up the GNOME 3 Desktop)? Maybe you'd like to contribute to some of those pages…? Actually, you can create an entirely new systemd-specific Handbook (in the main article namespace, like the articles I've been linking to) based on the text of the existing Handbook, if you'd like. After all, the Handbook is licensed CC-BY-SA 3.0, so as long as you follow the terms of the license (e.g., giving proper credit), you are free (legally) to create such a "derivative work". (Being "socially" free to do so on this wiki is, I suppose, a different matter that I can't really speak to, since I've never attempted that ambitious of an untertaking. But I think it is well known amongst the Powers That Be that we lack good "official" documentation for users who opt for systemd, so such an effort should be welcome, I would hope.) As you can see, I am somewhat ambivalent about contributing to this wiki. I'd like more people to do it, but I'm afraid many (like me) will become frustrated by some of the established conventions here. Oh well. Good luck with whatever you decide to do… - dcljr (talk) 07:55, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
- All interesting articles, I was reminded of one of the main issues I had when i looked at the proposed rewrite too: no instructions for usb! even though there is a relevant article that is gold dust, the official and the other one completely fail to mention it despite usb becoming the more popular physical software distribution method?... even if it is unofficial the official one probably should link the complete handbook though, no standard user would think to look for it! — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lyciathelycanroc (talk • contribs)
- If you haven't noticed yet, there has been an effort made to rewrite/expand the official Handbook (still very incomplete). You can freely contribute to that (subject to other user's edits, of course), since it's outside of the "Handbook:" namespace. OTOH, since it's not official, hardly anyone ever looks at it (presumably), so there's less of an incentive to contribute to it. But its main author is a Gentoo developer, so there's always a chance that something official may come of it someday. As for systemd documentation, specifically, I assume you've already seen our systemd article, but have you noticed systemd/Installing Gnome3 from scratch (and the somewhat related User:Sakaki/Sakaki's EFI Install Guide and User:Sakaki/Sakaki's EFI Install Guide/Setting up the GNOME 3 Desktop)? Maybe you'd like to contribute to some of those pages…? Actually, you can create an entirely new systemd-specific Handbook (in the main article namespace, like the articles I've been linking to) based on the text of the existing Handbook, if you'd like. After all, the Handbook is licensed CC-BY-SA 3.0, so as long as you follow the terms of the license (e.g., giving proper credit), you are free (legally) to create such a "derivative work". (Being "socially" free to do so on this wiki is, I suppose, a different matter that I can't really speak to, since I've never attempted that ambitious of an untertaking. But I think it is well known amongst the Powers That Be that we lack good "official" documentation for users who opt for systemd, so such an effort should be welcome, I would hope.) As you can see, I am somewhat ambivalent about contributing to this wiki. I'd like more people to do it, but I'm afraid many (like me) will become frustrated by some of the established conventions here. Oh well. Good luck with whatever you decide to do… - dcljr (talk) 07:55, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
- I do see what you're saying.... perhaps I will contribute to the installer package or write my own guide elsewhere, I get the impression it is objectively not worth it trying to contribute to the handbook. I just found that personally, the handbook involved a lot of "jumping around" and did not actually include all the relevant information i needed either, and neither did the articles it linked to. I find it upsetting when others say they won't try gentoo simply based off of the documentation that's written on it, it has a lot to offer, it's just too daunting for many users to even try sadly. --Lyciathelycanroc (talk) 11:14, 12 July 2018 (UTC)